IGo - The Go Game For Your Calculator!

Post by **Patori** » Mon 13 Mar, 2006 10:46 am

Bram: If you need help; ive been working on an SGF Editor...

Too bad you didnt try for 19x19 boards... with GS I bet it might look nice...

I'm guessing AI for this can be about 25k...

>goes back to Go... 22k, YAY! Go club this friday! I get to play with a 2dan!!<

elfprince13 · Post by **elfprince13** » Mon 13 Mar, 2006 1:36 pm

thats awesome. My dads friend who is a go player arranged for the top woman Go player in the world to come to the college. Then the college people forgot to tell the vermont Go association about it and they had a tournament that day....

the_unknown_one · Post by **the_unknown_one** » Mon 13 Mar, 2006 4:32 pm

Patori: I was thinking about asking you if i could incorporate the SGF editor... Well, i'd LOVE to include 19x19 boards, but it'd have to be with scrolling... It wouldn't be practical... But I might include it later when the main engine is completed and I want to add it... And umm, 22k? Official or not? If it's not official, then you're joking, cause i'm about 20k now. And yay, today go club, and sunday beginner tournament!

Wow, 2 dan, lucky bastard... We have a 2 dan in our club but i haven't played him yet, I should...

elfprince13: LOL XD

Post by **tr1p1ea** » Mon 13 Mar, 2006 4:49 pm

You mean that you will need ~20k of code just for the AI in this game?

Thats a fair bit!

Post by **CDI** » Mon 13 Mar, 2006 5:35 pm

Well, he can always call it from the ROM, or break it up into a few chunks (I coulda sworn you could read the ROM in ASM... I used to know the command for it too)

Post by **benryves** » Mon 13 Mar, 2006 6:24 pm

The XXk is a Go rating, as far as I know, not the kilobyte we know and love.

Post by **Patori** » Mon 13 Mar, 2006 7:05 pm

k = kyu

the rankings go from 30kyu to 1 kyu... 1 kyu being strongest.

After 1 kyu are called "Shodan." 1 dan to 9 dan. Dans are usually professional players. The title of 10 dan is reserved for a tournament's winner...

These ratings vary from Association to Association... For instance, a korean 3kyu is about a japanese 3dan...

American and European rating scales are weaker than the asian rating systems. AGA seems to be the weakest. For my rating, I was using a rating system developed for a Go playing server (www.kiseido.com)... It says that I am 22k... However, in real life, I can play and win with a handicap of 2 against a AGA rated 10kyu... which means I am likely somewhere between 12kyu and 16kyu... According to people I have played too, I play at about 12kyu...

Bram: What about 3x3 stones? ^^ In greyscale it may look better than in black and white...

If you would like help with AI, I have been working on "Satoribot," a Go robot, and I am getting the concepts of Go AI...

the_unknown_one · Post by **the_unknown_one** » Mon 13 Mar, 2006 9:49 pm

No, with XXk I did NOT mean size of a program but ratings... And Patori, the KGS rating is usually a few stones "lower" (lower k) than your real rating... And I'm sure you're higher than me, so you must be +/- 15k, though I don't know for sure what exactly... We should play again sometime (a full game) to see, eh? And 3x3 stones wouldn't work for SURE. And I could use help with the AI, but at the moment i'm focusing on other stuff, i'll get back to you about that later, m'kay?

Post by **Patori** » Tue 14 Mar, 2006 12:01 am

Just trying to prove that a 19x19 can fit on the TI83+'s Screen.

Sure, the stones dont look that pretty... but this was the basic scheme behind my TIGoban... unfortunately, mine only used 3 levels of greyscale...

4 would look nicer.

And Bram, I already know that. But, I feel as though the KGS system is a fair representation of my ability... considering the fact that it is tougher than AGA's system... I think PandaNet is a bit easier...

Post by **tr1p1ea** » Tue 14 Mar, 2006 3:55 am

Ahhh ok, i was trying to decide whether or not you were talking about some kind of Go rating or code size

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That 19x19 board should be acceptable Patori.

elfprince13 · Post by **elfprince13** » Tue 14 Mar, 2006 4:14 am

personally, I think the ones with fewer intersections look better.

Post by **Patori** » Tue 14 Mar, 2006 5:02 am

elfprince: yes, but those games are beginner games... and although they are fun... they aren't that deep...

And for reasons why Go AI is so hard to code: http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.h ... A961958260

^^

Back down to 24k... how'd THAT happen... and least I know that my game has improved...

elfprince13 · Post by **elfprince13** » Tue 14 Mar, 2006 5:29 am

I know they are for beginners. I usually play on 19*19. If you are doing AI, you might want to do the smaller board....or have 2 player be a larger board.

the_unknown_one · Post by **the_unknown_one** » Tue 14 Mar, 2006 6:36 am

Patori: Well yes, that could work, but it'd have very small stones and be hard to see... I'm not sure if it could be decipherable when you already have placed lots of stones on the boad... And yes, 19x19 are standard games, 9x9 and 13x13 are "practice" games. Not beginner, because lots of good players still play those too. AI is easier on a smaller board...
Back down to 24k... how'd THAT happen... and least I know that my game has improved... -> what do you mean by that? :s

Timendus · Post by **Timendus** » Tue 14 Mar, 2006 1:06 pm

AI is easier on a smaller board

Well, not really... AI would be faster on smaller boards, but it's still pretty impossible to get a decent player in a z80 processor