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Post by **benryves** » Tue 26 Apr, 2005 1:58 am

The problem with OOP is when people become obsessed by it and then do EVERYTHING in an OOP manner, even in places where it's clearly not needed.

Post by **tr1p1ea** » Tue 26 Apr, 2005 2:48 am

I find that ppl like OOP for the simple fact that everyone else likes it. Its kind of a buzz thing.

It isnt really need at all imo. I like to think in terms of the machine ... its funny

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dysfunction · Post by **dysfunction** » Tue 26 Apr, 2005 12:29 pm

It works well in Basic, though I can see why it would be terrible in assembly. 68k Basic is practically OOP anyways.

Spengo · Post by **Spengo** » Tue 26 Apr, 2005 3:22 pm

I dunno. I don't think I like OOP just because everyone else likes it. It's just kinda easier to do stuff as if they are different objects, each with their own properties, interacting with each other.

CoBB · Post by **CoBB** » Tue 26 Apr, 2005 5:47 pm

TI-BASIC and OOP? Get serious.

dysfunction · Post by **dysfunction** » Tue 26 Apr, 2005 7:09 pm

No it's true, it does work really well. BASIC programmers tend to use los of subroutines anyways, and while too much OOP slows BASIC down, it definitely makes it more compact and easier to read. 68K BASIC even has such things as local variables, and you can run subroutines with parameters passed from the main program. It's homemade OOP.

CoBB · Post by **CoBB** » Tue 26 Apr, 2005 7:21 pm

You're confusing structural programming and block structures with OOP.

Timendus · Post by **Timendus** » Tue 26 Apr, 2005 7:32 pm

Exactely... Compare:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Object-ori ... rogramming
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Structured_programming

I've become such a fan of Wikis

Post by **tr1p1ea** » Tue 26 Apr, 2005 10:01 pm

Yeah OOP was made so that programmers could think in terms of solving the problem rather than translating it into something the machine can understand. I dont really like it as it can turn ordinary people into programmers, and they still wont know how the internals of a computer work.

Timendus · Post by **Timendus** » Tue 26 Apr, 2005 10:55 pm

And why would that be a problem? As long as it produces good software...

Spengo · Post by **Spengo** » Wed 27 Apr, 2005 4:04 am

Hey, I am learning asm right now. Don't make fun of OOP programmers.

And in response to the original topic- there is a test version of the next best thing right here

Post by **DarkAuron** » Wed 27 Apr, 2005 4:30 am

OOP usually is very unoptimized, and although some of the OO languages aren't that slow, java is an extreme example of having almost no optimizations at all. A great deal of games these days wouldn't require such high specs if the programmers did more optimized coding but they've become lazy; teenage calc coders do better coding than professionals do! O.O But not at such a large scale, so eh.. no deadlines either

I dunno, too many factors, and I'm extremely tired.. g'night

Post by **tr1p1ea** » Wed 27 Apr, 2005 4:54 am

Exactly, OOP might be good for applications that dont need to conserve memory or are required to run on lower-end platforms. It seems that everyone believes that OOP is the evolutionary step in programming and that it should replace everything else. I think that in classes they should express the importance of coding something that not only works, but works well, as well as the ability to choose the correct type of programming language for the target platform. All i ever see these days is C++ and Java.

CoBB · Post by **CoBB** » Wed 27 Apr, 2005 5:37 am

What next step? OOP is a very old concept, almost 40 years already. There are more interesting ideas that didn't really catch up, check out Icon for instance; it's about as old as Prolog.

Timendus · Post by **Timendus** » Wed 27 Apr, 2005 11:21 am

I think that in classes they should express the importance of ... the ability to choose the correct type of programming language for the target platform.

Yes, I agree. But OOP is certainly very useful for a lot of application. I wouldn't advise programming HL2 in Java, but that's obviously not the idea of OOP. I like the concept of seperating object for complex projects, but I would hate to have to work OO when I'm working on a website or something (PHP 5

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Icon looks really weird... I'm not sure I could get used to

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