CompWiz wrote:you seem to be forgetting the turion AMD chips for laptops. They use less power than AMD mobiles and 64, and they do something Intel mobiles cant - 64 bit. Also hypertransport.
And sure, you can overclock the P4 with the right cooling, but do you really want to pay for liquid cooling on top of the already rediculously high P4 prices?
Also, when you talk about the P4 thermal throttling, you mean that when it hits too high of a temperature, it slows down. AMD's are much better. When they are idle they slow down, so the high temperature is never reached, and when you are using them, they will always be at full speed. It would be kind of inconvienient if you were playing a multiplayer game and your P4 decided to slow down in the middle of it, ruining your framerate and any chance you had at winnning, wouldn't you say?
You know, I noticed something about your argument for P4's. You are basically admitting that they run most applications slower than the AMD's, they cost a lot more, they generate more heat, they have some features that slow them down for many tasks(hyper pipes, thermal throttling), and they don't have 64 bit. So, you are in fact saying that the P4's are either equal or slower in most applications(similarly prices ones are a lot slower) and don't have some features you claim we don't need(64 bit).
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Last time I checked, Anandtech said that Turion is nothing more than a rebranded Athlon 64.
I'm sorry to say HyperTransport doesn't get me the tingly feeling inside of joy. My laptop is powered by one of the better Intel premium mobile chipsets and HyperTransport means little than just not having what... a northbridge or a southbridge? Anyway I could careless about the integrated memory controller. And my point about 64-bit remains valid and I stand by it. Just because you have a 64-bit chip are you going to get a 64-bit WIndows XP professional right now and upgrade your RAM to 8GB? You're forgetting what I said completely. I said those Hyper Pipes do slow down in some performance areas BUT for predictable applications the Pentium 4 serves much better.
And again, P4 multipliers can be unlocked and it's not impossible to do so. Current P4s are unlocked... or atleast the majority of them should be. Also, the P4 can do what an Athlon can do and vice-versa. Also more expensive just means a $20-50 price gap and that's if you're just buying a CPU in a box. If you buy from like Compaq or Dell for example they get those Intel chips at a cheaper volume price.
And maybe I should have cleared that statement up- When I say 'throttling CPU speeds' that's what EVERY CPU nowadays does. CoolnQuiet is a speed throtting technique and you seemed to have missed my statement about Pentium 4 6xx CPUs having speed throttling. Yes, Intel did manage to implement their SpeedStep technology into their 64-bit pentium 4s... wait what??? Intel had 64-bit Pentium 4s all along???
NO WAY OMGWTFBBQ
This is fairly inefficient heat-wise (but not performance-wise), which is where the Pentium M series do a much better job.
I can attest to that
My P-M gets "warm" (it's actually my laptop's internal gadets... the CPU and HDD are surprisingly cool through
) and when I stop playing a game, after a bit of full speed fan whirring it slows down. Very nice.
I have some questions to ask you then:
1) Why is 64-bit so important to you? Why do you need a 64-bit chip now? I feel when the time comes when the true 64-bit comptuer arrives, we'll already have much better hardware that will make the AMD64 obsolete.
2) You don't like heat? I have two opinions: I could care less on how much heat a CPU generates as long as it gets the proper cooling. However, I do care about how much MOBILE CPUs generate heat. That's why I said the Athlon XP-m sucked and the Pentium M is much better. In terms of Mobile CPUs, the Pentium M in my opinion is the best possible you can get. It consumes less and dissipates less compared to what a budget Sempron outputs. That means the AMD64/Turion (Turion is a name just like Intel's Centrino. Turion based laptops happen to be underperformers. Have you taken a look at Turion powered laptops? They have like half the L2 and lower clock speeds. I've only seen them in like the bargain bin laptop market) consumes more power than the Pentium M (I believe it consumes 65W).
Also the Turion is in a different market. They're shooting for the Centrino but AMD greatly fails in that area. Along with the bargain bin laptops i've seen Turion paired up with, their Thermal Design Point is 35W-25W. Much more than the upper Dothans (24.4W) and the lower Dothans (21W)
And i'm also very sorry to say, I have a Pentium M based laptop so heat isn't really much of an issue to me now. My uncle does keep a Pentium 2.4GHz PC in his room and it doesn't seem to heat up the room much... not as much as my AMD Athlon laptop did...
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). One of AMD and Intel had to start shelling out 64-bits CPUs to the public to start the slow process of making them mainstream. We should all condone that act instead of question it; I thought all you guys around here like HW more than I do 
Yes what you say about devs needing the hardware early is true, but I feel that most mainstream users do not need it. Also it would be relatively easy to implement in future generation CPU roadmaps for the timing to be right
my position is here to defend that the P4 isn't as sucky as people might imagine. PRescott only runs a bit slower, 10-30% slower than AMD64 CPUs from what i've seen. I'm not saying that they're better but like i've said in my posts, i'm just trying to say a P4 can do what an AMD64 can do except for say.... 3D Now extensions 
